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Re: Coffee Net / Cycling

Aaron K6ABJ
 

Brian,

Thank you for looking into the W6EK repeater's log of time outs. Your findings suggest the problem is on my end, which in a way isn't a surprise as my node is new and I am still trying to figure out how to configure it so everything works properly.

My node is a radio node running AllStarLink and using an Ft-8800 tranceiver. The hangtime was the default 5000 ms, althangtime was the default 4000 ms, and the totime (transmit time out) is the default 180000 (3 minutes).

I am not sure what the althangtime setting controls exactly, the documentation states its a longer squelch tail, but that is all. Whether its value simply gets added to the hangtime value, or as the name implies is an alternate time value that gets triggered by some other action, is a mystery to me. Any ideas? In either event 5 seconds and 4 seconds seem like incredibly long hangtimes, and in indeed my node transmitter continues to transmit long after the received signal stops, suggesting to me a need to reduce one or both these times. This afternoon, switching both hangtime values to 1000 ms, I get a very short hangtime. I am suspecting it may be a bit too short though, so for the time being I have settled on both values being set to 1750ms.

Continuing with my diagnostic reasoning, I am guessing that the cycling phenomenon I experienced may be the result of a long hangtime, and that as a result of the long hangtime my AllStar node is timing out. This would account for my node periodically going silent, but how do I explain the cycling behavior, the audio going back and forth between my ID-5100 which was listening to the W6EK repeater on 145.430, and my FT-60R which was listening to the output frequency of my AllStarNode?

If the transmitter of my node (a FT-8800) was over-powering the receiver in my other radio (an ID-5100 which was directly listening to the W6EK repeater on 145.430) to mute through some sort of safety feature, this could account for my ID-5100 going silent whenever I was receiving audio through my node (which I was listening to using the receiver of my Yaesu FT-60r). I don't believe my Icom ID-5100 has a safety feature that would however cause such, so here is my other guess as to what may have been happening... Perhaps when my node (a FT-8800) was transmitting and I was hearing the audio on my receiving radio (a FT-60r), the A side of my ID-5100 (tuned to 145.430) would go silent because the B side of my ID-5100 was listening on the output frequency of my node and the volume of the B side was turned down? Like I said, I am guessing at straws to explain the strange phenomenon. Anyone who has read all this and can follow the logic has earned themselves Two Gold Stars, because even though I wrote it I am not sure I understand it! 

The explanation of what may have happened to me would not however account for what Greydon, KC6SLE experienced yesterday morning while listening to the net using Echolink. He reported to me that he experienced EchoLink going silent for five seconds about every 60 seconds.

With my hangtime and althangtime settings in my node now changed away from their default settings, I will listen to the net tomorrow morning and report my findings.  I am crossing my fingers and all my toes! Yes, I can do that I am after-all a very talented man!

Aaron Jones, K6ABJ 
   
    ajones@... | Mobile: 916-715-7328


On Tue, Jun 15, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Brian - AI6US wrote:
Aaron,

I looked at the logs for this morning and the internet feeds did not record a time outs. I also reviewed the last hour of the Broadcastify recording (9:30-10:30) and did not hear any drops. What is the AllStarLink node timeout setting on your side? Is your setup a radio node or direct?

There have been 3 timeouts logged on the repeater today. 
1. 10:46
2. 14:52
3. 15:09

Hope this helps.
--
Brian- AI6US


Re: Baogenging

Jef - N5JEF
 

Jim -

Thanks for sharing this.  That was a mighty long video just to know that he verified that this radio has the added filtering (and associated narrower frequency ranges) to meet FCC requirements for spurious output.

By the way, a couple months ago I bought a pair of Baofeng UV-82T tri-band handhelds for about $28 each because I needed a cheap and easy 220MHz transmitter for a project, and adding a low-pass filter is relatively easy..  A quick look with the spectrum analyzer confirmed that the output was noisy as hell.  Spurious output on multiple frequencies, about 1,000 times (30dB) higher than legal.

I'll just add that the receiver has no filtering to speak of either, so these radios will go deaf pretty much any time there's another transmitter in the vicinity.

You truly get what you pay for—or less.

- Jef


On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:23 AM Jim - N6MED <n6medjim@...> wrote:
After owning a couple of three Baofengs, seeing a YouTube video where
someone tested a UV-82 for spectral purity that made Baofengs suspect
IMHO, I have sworn off them cheap as they are. There is a new model out,
GT-5R, that apparently is spectrally clean. Ref a test done by Dave
Casler, now with a QST column:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JyM8oNtoaE

-- Jim / n6med








Baogenging

Jim - N6MED
 

After owning a couple of three Baofengs, seeing a YouTube video where someone tested a UV-82 for spectral purity that made Baofengs suspect IMHO, I have sworn off them cheap as they are. There is a new model out, GT-5R, that apparently is spectrally clean. Ref a test done by Dave Casler, now with a QST column:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JyM8oNtoaE

-- Jim / n6med


Event - SFARC Fall Campout 2021 - Sept. 10-12, RSVP and Book a Campsite #cal-invite

Brian - AI6US
 
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Stampede Reservoir - Logger Campground
26104 Dog Valley Rd, Truckee, CA 96161
Map: https://goo.gl/maps/NHcfcMwsby8m8uqVA

Campsite Reservations: www.recreation.gov/camping/campgrounds/232858 Contact: Brian - AI6US / 916-770-7751 cell September 10-12, 2021

SFARC Fall Campout 2021 has been scheduled at Stampede Reservoir, Logger Campground, Sept. 10-12. Come hang out for the weekend or visit us for the day. A great location for recreation or relaxing. Bring your toys, hiking boots, drones or a good book.

Lin, KN6KRD and Brian, AI6US will host a free pancake/ eggs and sausage breakfast at 9am on Saturday morning at campsite #230. Hot Dogs and a group potluck at 5pm. Later in the evening, S'mores, conversations and tall tales will be shared around the fire pit.

Enjoy "Zero Noiseland" and play radio in the group ham shack with IC-7300 and 9700 radios. Have a radio or portable antenna? Bring it along. Will provide 13vdc with Anderson Powerpole. Monitor 146.52.


Re: A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Shawn - KN6PGK
 

Thanks kM6JBI 



On Jun 14, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Herb - KM6JBI <hpgarcia70@...> wrote:


Congrats!!!!

-Herb, KM6JBI

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:19 PM Brian - AI6US <ai6us@...> wrote:
Welcome Shawn! Way to go! Congrats!

Best Regards! 
Brian Gohl - AI6US 
(916) 770-7751 cell


-------- Original message --------
From: Orion - AI6JB <ojendres@...>
Date: 6/14/21 9:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [from W6EK Groups.io] A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Good morning everyone!

Please join me in congratulating Shawn Burch, KN6PGK, on obtaining his Technician Class license!  Congratulations Shawn!!

Shawn answered 33 of the 35 questions correctly.  We all look forward to hearing you on the air, although we do realize that may be a bit of a challenge from Rancho Cucamonga, CA.

Welcome to the amateur radio world!

73
Orion, AI6JB

--
Brian- AI6US



--
Herb Garcia, KM6JBI


Event: Elmer Net - 06/16/2021 #cal-reminder

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Where:
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Organizer: Carl - WF6J

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Event: SFARC Net - 06/17/2021 #cal-reminder

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Re: Coffee Net / Cycling

Brian - AI6US
 

Aaron,

I looked at the logs for this morning and the internet feeds did not record a time outs. I also reviewed the last hour of the Broadcastify recording (9:30-10:30) and did not hear any drops. What is the AllStarLink node timeout setting on your side? Is your setup a radio node or direct?

There have been 3 timeouts logged on the repeater today. 
1. 10:46
2. 14:52
3. 15:09

Hope this helps.
--
Brian- AI6US


SFARC Event - Ice Cream Floats & Watermelon at Recreation Park - Sept. 21, 6pm #cal-invite

Brian - AI6US
 
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Join us for an evening of fun!

Ice Cream Floats and Watermelon at Recreation Park in Auburn on Saturday, August 21st at 6pm.

RSVP:
https://forms.gle/mq3VwiFBFe8gb4kX7

Sierra Foothills ARC will be serving root beer & orange floats and watermelon. You decide what to do with the watermelon seeds... Maybe a seed spittin' contest? Bring a lawn chair or picnic blanket and
mark your calendars to spend a warm August evening with your SFARC friends in beautiful Recreation Park in Auburn, CA.


Re: Coffee Net / Cycling

Lisa - KC6SLE
 

Aaron, not sure if or how this might be related, but when using EchoLink this morning during the net, EchoLink would go silent for five seconds about every 60 seconds. Makes it interesting and challenging to conduct of copy a conversation but doable.  

Greydon KC6SLE


On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Aaron K6ABJ <ajones@...> wrote:


I observed a strange phenomenon during this morning's coffee net. I was listening to the net using both my new AllStar Node and 145.430 using two separate radios that are not in any way connected to one another other than being powered by the same Astron Power Supply. My receive audio cycled back and forth between them about every three minutes, switching instantaneously from one to the other. When I was hearing the audio out of one radio, the other was quiet. It did this the entire time I was listening to the Net, which was about 45 minutes. My initial thought was that I had a time-out setting on my new AllStar Link Node set wrong, but this would not explain the cycling of audio from one radio to the other. I am thinking it must be something on the W6EK repeater settings.

Aaron Jones, K6ABJ 
   
    ajones@... | Mobile: 916-715-7328


Coffee Net / Cycling

Aaron K6ABJ
 

I observed a strange phenomenon during this morning's coffee net. I was listening to the net using both my new AllStar Node and 145.430 using two separate radios that are not in any way connected to one another other than being powered by the same Astron Power Supply. My receive audio cycled back and forth between them about every three minutes, switching instantaneously from one to the other. When I was hearing the audio out of one radio, the other was quiet. It did this the entire time I was listening to the Net, which was about 45 minutes. My initial thought was that I had a time-out setting on my new AllStar Link Node set wrong, but this would not explain the cycling of audio from one radio to the other. I am thinking it must be something on the W6EK repeater settings.

Aaron Jones, K6ABJ 
   
    ajones@... | Mobile: 916-715-7328


Re: A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Herb Garcia
 

Congrats!!!!

-Herb, KM6JBI

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 1:19 PM Brian - AI6US <ai6us@...> wrote:
Welcome Shawn! Way to go! Congrats!

Best Regards! 
Brian Gohl - AI6US 
(916) 770-7751 cell


-------- Original message --------
From: Orion - AI6JB <ojendres@...>
Date: 6/14/21 9:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [from W6EK Groups.io] A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Good morning everyone!

Please join me in congratulating Shawn Burch, KN6PGK, on obtaining his Technician Class license!  Congratulations Shawn!!

Shawn answered 33 of the 35 questions correctly.  We all look forward to hearing you on the air, although we do realize that may be a bit of a challenge from Rancho Cucamonga, CA.

Welcome to the amateur radio world!

73
Orion, AI6JB

--
Brian- AI6US



--
Herb Garcia, KM6JBI


Re: A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Brian - AI6US
 

Welcome Shawn! Way to go! Congrats!

Best Regards! 
Brian Gohl - AI6US 
(916) 770-7751 cell


-------- Original message --------
From: Orion - AI6JB <ojendres@...>
Date: 6/14/21 9:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: sfarc@w6ek.groups.io
Subject: [from W6EK Groups.io] A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Good morning everyone!

Please join me in congratulating Shawn Burch, KN6PGK, on obtaining his Technician Class license!  Congratulations Shawn!!

Shawn answered 33 of the 35 questions correctly.  We all look forward to hearing you on the air, although we do realize that may be a bit of a challenge from Rancho Cucamonga, CA.

Welcome to the amateur radio world!

73
Orion, AI6JB
--
Brian- AI6US


Re: A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Shawn - KN6PGK
 

Thanks everyone excited to be able to spin the dial outside the GMRS FREQUENCIES


Re: A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Greg - KO6TH
 

Congratulations, and welcome to the hobby!

Greg  KO6TH


Orion - AI6JB wrote:

Good morning everyone!

Please join me in congratulating Shawn Burch, KN6PGK, on obtaining his Technician Class license!  Congratulations Shawn!!

Shawn answered 33 of the 35 questions correctly.  We all look forward to hearing you on the air, although we do realize that may be a bit of a challenge from Rancho Cucamonga, CA.

Welcome to the amateur radio world!

73
Orion, AI6JB


Re: A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Phil - KM6NFS
 
Edited

Way to go Shawn! Congrats!

73

Phil KM6NFS


A New Ham from the Tech Class!

Orion - AI6JB
 

Good morning everyone!

Please join me in congratulating Shawn Burch, KN6PGK, on obtaining his Technician Class license!  Congratulations Shawn!!

Shawn answered 33 of the 35 questions correctly.  We all look forward to hearing you on the air, although we do realize that may be a bit of a challenge from Rancho Cucamonga, CA.

Welcome to the amateur radio world!

73
Orion, AI6JB


SOTA Activation This Sunday!

Orion - AI6JB
 

Hi Everyone!

I will be activating Castle Peak, W6/SN-038, for SOTA this Sunday, June 13th.  I hope to be there about 10:30 AM give or take an hour.

I have set an alert for 146.535 - FM, given the VHF contest will still be going.  But, I will try to make calls on 146.520.

73
Orion, AI6JB


Event: SFARC General Meeting - 06/11/2021 #cal-reminder

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When:
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7:30pm to 9:30pm
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Join us for the SFARC Online Club Meeting from your computer, tablet, smartphone or even by regular telephone. You do not need to be a member and everyone is invited to attend!

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Meeting ID: 962 6167 5605

You may instead call in using only your telephone.

1-669-900-9128, 96261675605#

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Re: Another New Ham!

Michele - WH7QC
 

Congratulations Steve/KN6PES!! Way to go!

73
Michele/WH7QC

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